Pope John Paul

hey guys ,

i'm not a huge fan of white roses , but if u want a beautifull white rose with a strong spicy perfum this is it and the shape of the flower is beautifull

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Pope John is the one I have as an avatar at the moment I think I prefer "Jardins de Bagatelle" as a white rose, got stronger stems, better shape and still lovely big, fragrant blooms.

Rose-Anna wrote:Pope John is the one I have as an avatar at the moment I think I prefer "Jardins de Bagatelle" as a white rose, got stronger stems, better shape and still lovely big, fragrant blooms.

what about the perfume rose-anna ?

I am in sync with you, Rose-Anna. To me, JdB is a more elegant, aethereally alluring rose, and I prefer its fragrance 2-1 above PJPII. But His Holiness is a beautiful bush, one of the best I've seen for fully dressed top to bottom leafiness/

Funny, JdB seems to have fallen from fashion: even Treloars, which stocks just about everything, has dropped it from their catalogue.

Jordan, I'd conservatively rate JdB's scent as 8 out of 10. Like French designer perfume, sweet but not cloying, complex, wafting but not brash.

betsyw wrote:I am in sync with you, Rose-Anna. To me, JdB is a more elegant, aethereally alluring rose, and I prefer its fragrance 2-1 above PJPII. But His Holiness is a beautiful bush, one of the best I've seen for fully dressed top to bottom leafiness/

Funny, JdB seems to have fallen from fashion: even Treloars, which stocks just about everything, has dropped it from their catalogue.

yeah it is a harder rose to get now .. i will be getting it next year .. always thought it was a beautifull rose

It's a really good rose, unfortunatly the Hibiscus Beetles have also taken a liking to it.

We don't have that problem here... but that might be because of the strong winds howling down the street

nice ..

Nice Jordan mine is going to flower very soon.

thanks danny , post a pic when it does mate

Jordan, PJPII is a very stunning rose with excellent reviews wherever I looked, and which certainly makes for a stunning avatar, Rose-Anna; but my next white on the list is Boule de Neige (Bourbon, 1867).
The Bourbons are said to do very well around the Brisbane area, and BdN especially so. The fragrant whites that grow in my garden currently are Clair Austin (DA) and Amaretto/Sebastian Kneipp/Fragrant Memories (HT); and I also have Iceberg, which is very nice, apart from having no fragrance at all.

Hail to white roses; you can never have enough of them: they look fantastic everywhere you put them, blending with and freshening up anything around. For this reason I’ve put some effort into identifying fragrant white roses on the market and PJPII certainly made the list. For less outrageously priced alternatives, I also noted:

Full Sail
Hybrid Tea
58 favorite votes
Average rating: EXCELLENT
Fragrance Rating Average (Everyrose.com): 2.8 / 3
Fragrance EXCELLENT 5

Margaret Merril
Floribunda
49 favorite votes.
Average rating: EXCELLENT-
Fragrance Rating Average: 2.3 / 3
Fragrance EXCELLENT 7

Spirit of Peace
Hybrid Tea
39 favorite votes.
Average rating: EXCELLENT-
Fragrance Rating Average: 2.0 / 3
Fragrance EXCELLENT

Icegirl
Hybrid Tea, Florists Rose, Shrub
12 favorite votes.
Average rating: GOOD+
Fragrance EXCELLENT 1

Diamond Jubilee
Hybrid Tea
27 favorite votes.
Average rating: GOOD+
Fragrance Rating Average: 2.2 / 3
Fragrance EXCELLENT-

Memoire
Hybrid Tea
35 favorite votes
Average rating: GOOD+
Fragrance Rating Average: 1.5 / 3
Fragrance GOOD+ 3

Thanks, Rose-Anna and Betsy, for mentioning JdB; I’ve added that to my list quick smart.

Great info . .thanks jac

Yes, great stuff, Jac, and thank you! I'm trialling Ice Girl right now, to see if she is worth having for scent and vase (for which she was bred).

Margaret Merrill - this one has me totally confused: some say "Great scent!", some say " What scent?". Will the real MM please stand up? What do you all say?

The three Diamond Jubilees that I've grown were a definite parchment/beige shade. Mine could never be construed as white, but they looked stylish as a cream foil to my JdBs.

Margaret Merrill has a great scent betsy .. nice rose

I have noted your comments on Diamond Jubilee, Betsy, thanks, and would like to hear your verdict on Ice Girl, too.

Thanks for confirming MM has a great scent, Jordan.

I agree with you Jordan about MM - lovely scent, healthy rose that never seems to stop blooming in my garden.

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Well for me the Pope John Paul does produce a nicely shaped and full fragrant blooms, however I've found the size will vary alot.

Silky, I went back to get Margaret Merril after you recommended her earlier this year, but she was gone. With so many nice comments about her, I’ll make sure that won’t happen next year.

Race you to the MM stand, Jac. I'm sold on it too now, after dithering about this one since 2005.

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Neptune placed this here earlier, if possible can we stay on the topic or the other option is start one called "White Roses" or similar named
Much appreciated

One of the best roses in my garden for me has all of the package.Health wise,flower,frangrance and rebloom.Gave it a nice haircut and coming up so strong.

Many exhibitors and judges are tipping PJP11 to have a big year on the show bench come Spring as an exhibition bloom.

If His Holiness makes a splash in the show ring, then I reckon one could justifiably say that with its incredible no-spray health, mighty vigor, beautiful shapeliness, and really defined fragrance, this rose Has. It. All.

I agree Betsyw, PJP11 rose doesn't stop blooming for me, well it has pretty fast repeat, and the blooms last for ages.