A rose to grow on a south facing verandah

Thinking about roses to order this year, has anyone some ideas for a rose to grow to screen a south facing verandah? It gets plenty of light, but sun only for a few hours in the afternoon, from the west. I have a white 'The Pearl' banksia rose at one end of the verandah. I'd like something with not many thorns. Any ideas?

Debbie, can you tell me a bit more about Banksia 'the Pearl' please, I would like to look at the rose on HMF and some of it's relatives.
The biggest thing will be the southern cool/wetness of that area.

I don't know a lot about 'The pearl', David. I think I read somewhere that it's a cross between the white banks rose and a miniature. I bought mine as a cutting at an open garden in Canowindra quite a few years ago.
It's semi-double, some scent (not much), very pretty loose bunches of white flowers for ages in spring with the odd flower in autumn.
It's not nearly as big as the yellow banksia. It's a lovely thing, I have a photo, though not a close up, but don't know how to do photos.

The area I'm thinking of planting another rose is protected from frost, and well drained. As it's right against the house I try not to water too much there, but I think there would be adequate moisture.

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'The Pearl"

Thanks David. The rose they have pictured is a bit more double than mine. If you google 'The pearl' and scroll down to the Sacramento cemetery site they have a few different banksia roses pictured, I love the single ones. My Pearl is exactly like the one in their photo.

Actually, I take that back, mustn't have had my glasses on. The help me find one is the same as mine, I checked my photo. It just looked a bit more double when i first looked at it.

I've just realised that help me find has heaps of photos, not just one! It's a great site! The photo I looked at first did look more double, for some reason. The Pearl is definitely semi-double, with nice stamens in the middle, a bit like cherry blossom. I will now retire and not say another word in case you think I'm totally mad!

I have an 'Adelaide d'Orleans' facing full south and it's.... enthusiastic. *g*

The noisette rose, Mme Alfred Carriere, is almost thornless, copes with some shade and is also tough once established. It does get fairly large though (I believe up to 5 m x 5 m) which may or may not be a good thing, depending on the area you want covered.

AutumnDamask wrote:I have an 'Adelaide d'Orleans' facing full south and it's.... enthusiastic. *g*

It would be a bit thorny for a verandah though.

Balinbear wrote:

AutumnDamask wrote:I have an 'Adelaide d'Orleans' facing full south and it's.... enthusiastic. *g*

It would be a bit thorny for a verandah though.

True. I missed that requirement.
I wouldn't mind betting that good old Lamarque would be fine. And Mme Alfred C as someone else has mentioned.

Are the Albas thorny? Apparently they do very well in the shade, and the foliage is super lovely.

Is your banksia rose evergreen though? It might look a bit weird in winter having one side of the verandah clothed in green and the other half all naked

Thanks for all those ideas. Maybe i should just grow something else there, like a snail vine or something? But I'd rather like to at least try a rose. I'm wondering about a hybrid musk, as they are supposed to tolerate some shade. I love Cornelia, but the one I have is getting swallowed up by a manchurian pear, so I might have to remove her. I might try another Cornelia near the verandah. The other one I like the sound of is Autumn Delight. Might not be big enough, but I could plant two. What do you think? I've never seen this one in the flesh.
The banksia rose is evergreen Muscovy, but I don't think it would matter.
I think Mme Alfred would be lovely, but maybe a bit big. I have her on my 'definites' list to plant on the other end of the pergola out the back, where she will have plenty of room.

Of course you're right about the evergreen vs deciduous thing Debbie - after all, it will look very similar to what you have now! How silly of me! *must remember to think before posting*

Would it be possible to move your Cornelia out from under the tree and over to the verandah, and just see how she goes? I must say I don't know what the root system of a manchurian pear is like... Could be a total nightmare trying to dig her out.

Don't know if scent is a factor for you, but there's a HM very similar to Cornelia called Felicia - she is very slightly more apricot pink in colour, but her fragrance is quite a bit stronger to my nose. And not very thorny!

I'm not sure that I could move Cornelia, she's been there a long time, well over 10 years, which is a long time for me. (My sister always tells me she's planning to put on my grave stone: "Dig up and move every 6 months.") The two manchurian pears were planted when we moved here, they are the tall skinny ones and have proved wonderful in the narrow side garden for screening and shading the house. But the one nearest Cornelia seems to have overwhelmed her a bit for the last couple of years, so I might start with a new plant.
I've coveted Felicia for a while too. I did have one many years ago in Dubbo, but it was always a scrawny looking plant, though I don't think I understood about different kinds of roses back then, I thought they should all look like HTs

Hahaha Debbie, best inscription ever! Your sister is hilarious!

Cornelia is an easy one to do from cuttings. If you dig up the old one you could end up with a hundred new ones.

Although there has been a diversification of the form of roses and a far greater acceptance of difference to me nothing beats a classically formed HT with abundance of fragrance. e.g. Pope John Paul 11, Admiral Rodney, Mr Lincoln etc.

Must admit, Ausrose, I met the Pope at Bunnings a couple of weeks back, and I was smitten! What a perfume! And yes, you can't go past Mr Lincoln or Oklahoma.
I grew up with HTs, my aunt grew them to show. I remember being in love with 'Alpine Sunset' because of the Heidi books. And I still remember the excitement of being taken down the garden to see the first amazing flower of Super Star!
But my garden is a bit cottagey and informal and the old style roses just seem to fit there. I really love something about the informal style of the bushes, and I love reading the history and knowing that someone 100 years ago loved a rose that is growing in my garden today. I don't know why I like the old roses, it's funny really, but I love old buildings and old books and old needlework, who knows? But when I win the lottery, I'm going to have a picking garden where I can grow HTs to cut and bring inside - masses of them!

I've never grown a rose cutting, but I can do geraniums. Is it too late in the year to do it now?

No Debbie, be careful of the heat factor over at Parkes

I might just try in late March or April. Just for fun!

Thanks Ausrose, I'll do that. It's 38 here now, but supposed to cool down a bit in the next few days. I can hardly wait for Autumn!