Digging out a rose

Thought i might see who else does what i do . When i pull out a rose bush i remove a lot of the soil too and usually relocate it somewhere and put in new soil , thats right isn't it ? But just how much soil do you dig out ? Thanks

Maree, on this subject I am going to sit on the fence. I do not know for sure whether roses leave bad residue or not. It is believed that they do, but I do not know of any scientific work on it. I have re-planted in the same hole in the past without any noticeable adverse damage.
Rose growing nurseries would have to do one of two things with thier growing beds, replace the soils or fumigate each year, I can't see that happening. The other thing they would have to do is leave different beds fallow for a year or more.

i'm with roseman no science behind the rule. could be another poor professional horti myth.

There was a thread last year... Simon mentioned it- about it being a bit of a "myth" ? Can't find the blinking thread now...

I think it is myth, plants pull nutrients out of the soil in differant quantities depending on their needs, while some put nutrients back eg (legumes). I have many a time culled older roses and replaced them with younger seedlings, the secret is that the soil must be well cultivated and once the plant has stabilised from being planted , the soil enriched. Never had any problems. Warren

well said.

I move roses about all the time (well not all the time though I have often said they should be bred with wheels on the roots) but have never had any problems.

Thanks guys , my whole rose growing life i have believed that roses leave behind some sort of chemical residue in the soil that other roses don't like , have read it and been told it and have shifted a lot of soil in the meantime . Thanks for dispelling that myth !!!!

I am pretty well the same as above.....but this last lot of seven bushes I just recently planted, I took out a bit more soil and put in "fresh" soil around the plant, just to see if there is any difference. My next experiment when I discard my next bush and replace it, is to get some fresh soil and soak it in a liquid fertilizer for 24hrs before putting it into the ground.......

Neptune , let ius know how you go with your experiments , i only have a limited space so am constantly reviewing the roses , would be great if i didn't have to remove the soil as well , i'm going to try it !!!

Maree, I am like you and have all my roses in the front of my yard on a standard suburban block.....my backyard has a pool, paving and tropical gardens and a small shed.........so there is no room for roses out the back, but I am looking for the right property to come along...

So on the the subject of "digging a rose out" we who have posted are a mixed lot, but it appears to be that the "myth" is a myth. As there seems to be no "scientific" evidence(I asked the same question on another forum) we need not worry. Roses like other plants take food from the soil around them so it would need replenishment. So IMO they are like us, no food, no work.

Neptune , lucky you , wouldn't i love a bigger block , no hope though of that , trying to find a space now for a couple of chooks , good luck on your quest for a bigger block ... Oh and can i ask , i guess Neptune is one of your favourite roses , i did have it , but it went when i redid rose garden , do you love it ?

Thanks Roseman , no more digging out all that soil , my back says thanks !!!

maree wrote:Neptune , lucky you , wouldn't i love a bigger block , no hope though of that , trying to find a space now for a couple of chooks , good luck on your quest for a bigger block ... Oh and can i ask , i guess Neptune is one of your favourite roses , i did have it , but it went when i redid rose garden , do you love it ?

Actually I do have Neptune and it has a nice perfume rose......I only just dug it up last week and put it in a large pot to re- ressurect it. In its place went a Pink Kardinal

i have neptune and its a great rose