Another pink delight

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Another rose I've bred blossoming amidst lemon scented mint inside my garden. Beautiful mid pink to magenta colour (according to weather), with a delicious Damask scent. Fully double rosette shape, some 7-8 cm in diameter when fully opened. Healthy, vigorous shrub, prolific, excellent vase life, and very heat tolerant. Loves this climate it seems. Grows on its own roots, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Mudgee is looking good for more trials of your fantastic roses, I think the rest of the forum will agree

Thank you very much David. If you have any time, please take a look around the web, and especially at the DA's website. They have a good search engine, allowing search by groups, colours, etc.

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Within the hundreds of roses he's bred that have a somewhat similar old rose shape, I could find nothing like this one above when taking into consideration colour, flower shape and fragrance. I'll post later some pics of its rosette shape.

Will 3ha's be enough room for those 2 and all the rest to do trials on

I'm willing to share the burden when it comes to space limitations, David....



If it smells like a Damask....

Looks gorgeous

David

Both you and I know that if you want to trial a rose you pick somewhere that the conditions are tuff, the roses are left to their own devices, fertilizing and watering is an exception not a rule and soil is touching on the highly unsuitable for roses. Somewhere that DAs turn up there noses and decide that life for them is not worth living.

Somwhere like my place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trials in all sorts of conditions are to be highly recommended...

AutumnDamask wrote:
If it smells like a Damask....

Yes, it has a pleasing, open, nicely balanced Damask scent. And it keeps it for a while in a vase. After several days you can still sense it when smelling the petals. In a cut flower petals turn gradually into dark lavender colour.

Keeps getting better and better

And if I was to guess the parents.. I'd say 'Lorraine Lee' x 'Gertrude Jekyl' (for both this one and it's close relative) somewhere along the way.

Dave, 'Abe Darby' x 'Comtesse de Labarthe is about to flower for the forst time here... stay tuned.

So far there are about 7 starters for these rose, I hope you have enough plants for the trials as Gary(nalinbear) said they need to be trialed in all conditions, not just the national gardens in SA. The only thing I would say to you Gary, we put our hand up first if there is only one to trial

Dave, 'Abe Darby' x 'Comtesse de Labarthe is about to flower for the forst time here... stay tuned.
I'm listening for a photo:)

Simon wrote:And if I was to guess the parents.. I'd say 'Lorraine Lee' x 'Gertrude Jekyl' (for both this one and it's close relative) somewhere along the way.

Simon,
I'm not quite sure Lorraine Lee is a viable choice in breeding programmes for today's roses. I admit I was considering it, but after some research and some initial crosses, I'm reluctant to go that way.

Ozrosarian, Gary would be in the best locality for trialing.

All the wine growing areas in Australia won't test roses. When our local nurseries mention "This rose has been trialled at the trial gardens and is very healthy" I take no notice as to the health of that rose.

Bruce, I dont understand your post.
I have two questions.

1 Why would Gary be in the best locality for trials ?

2 ALL the wine growing areas in Australia WON'T test roses ?

Carole wrote:Bruce, I dont understand your post.
I have two questions.
1 Why would Gary be in the best locality for trials ?
2 ALL the wine growing areas in Australia WON'T test roses ?

Carole
Thanks for the post, I wanted to ask the same
Nevertheless, yes, I'm going to trial them soon and will keep you all informed. I'm very glad so many wonderful people and rose lovers joined in these two threads.
Thank you all.

Z, I am so glad I am not the only one wanting to know the answers as the more I pondered it, the more confused I got

I was mainly have a bit of a joke arregarding trailling them.

I would accept the opportunity if it arose but probably seriously if you are going to market a rose you would try to get one that fitted the conditions where roses sell the best (ie a larger market) which is certainly not the Sunshine Coast. You'd have to graft one onto a palm tree to sell it around here. Fair dinkum, more palms are sold up here then bottles of milk and I am sure budda statues and grass huts follow close behind.

If your aim is to develop a tough rose and are not all that worried about making a million bucks from it (possibly as a middle step in developing a tougher commercial variety), sure trail it in the worse conditions possible but for comercial sales you would have to select somehwere more average.

Now there.s a thought Gary I guess it would be the ultimate standard or weeper

Gary you are correct, I don't quite get the attraction to the palms all over the place, along with Budda's and grass huts. We don't live in Fiji
Some of us here on the sunny coast are interested in good strong plants and roses that actually look good

The wine growing areas will not test roses because grapes are susceptible to some of the same fungal diseases roses are and so aren't grown where the fungal pressure is going to be at its peak (roses have been traditionally grown with grapes in vineyards because if the more sensitive roses begin to show signs of fungal issues the wine grapes were treated to prevent them from also following suit). It is worthwhile testing your roses in areas where there is intense black spot and mildew pressure. The trial gardens in SA do get fungal diseases (especially last year as they had to spray the roses under trial), however, nothing like the pressure I get here, for instance. I get about a metre of rainfall each year and live 10min from the coast and down here I get so much black spot even the black spot gets black spot. Mildew is another problem I have in spades all the time because the days are warm and the nights cool.. prime mildew conditions and because we are a winter/early spring rainfall area our late spring-summer/autumn conditions are usually very dry which also favours mildew. Take the rose called 'Wildcat' for example. It won the most disease resistant rose in trial in last year's trials in SA. I bought it and put it in my garden and it is now well on its way to defoliating in my no-spray garden. Planted next to one of my own seedlings, 'Wildcat' is Larry's proverbial dog. For me, roses that are rugosa based or wichurana based are the ones that grow cleanly with the many other species also showing excellent results. My area is an outstanding testing ground for roses because of these features and I know that if my seedlings are healthy here, they will do well anywhere in Tas... but not necesarily anywhere else.

Testing roses in QLD would also provide an excellent assessment of the real health potential of ones roses. For instance, I can't test for extreme heat tolerance. It would make sense for me to send roses to Gary for an honest appraisal of their worth under those comditions.

Breeders like Bill Raddler (of 'Knockout' fame) and Ping Lim (formerly of Bailey's Nursery in the U.S.) did not get the success they did by not fully testing the disease resistance of their rose in areas where disease pressure was low to start with. Bill Raddler would deliberately collect black spot spores and make a brew that he would use to innoculate his roses and Ping Lim would collect different strains of blackspot from all over the U.S. to deliberately expose his seedlings to them before being released. 'Knockout' is not completely clean here but is near enough to it that it is not an issue, healthwise or aesthetically.

I can almost guranatee that ANY rose that has DA in it, will spot like a dalmation down here in my garden because whilst they love the more temperate climate, they HATE the humidity and the long periods of wetness we get. The 'Abraham Darby' x 'Comtesse de Labarthe' seedlings I have are a mixed bag. They all have spotted early but one seems to have grown out of it at this time of the year. Whether it continues to be like this time will tell but my gut feeling is that it will continue to spot periodically because both 'Abe. Darby' and 'Comtesse de Labarthe' do. Sent to Gary, it may not because the Tea blood will come out. Sent to my friend Damian near Goulburn it may well spot though he is drier than I am here. Sent to the trial gardens in SA and they may well be spotless.

That's what Bruce was getting at...

Simon
It must be bad down there as I don't recall any of our 'Comtesse de Labarthe' (and we have a million of them) spotting.

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A pink one early in the morning. Lots of buds and it suckers too.

GORGEOUS!! I want my plants to be this big already