Rose Fertilising

There are cedits and debits in all fertilisers, I am not into exhibiting, so with "Sudden Impact" and I do not know the formula of it, does it promote all aspects of a rose bush, not only the flower and or the leaf. As an exhibitor what is the life of a plant when exhibiting, do you plant and replace when the plant is "worn out" with another.
I guess you would have multiple plants of each.

I have mentioned before that sudden impact has more or less has the same NPK ratio as most of the other organic products only the percentage of the mass is double. As a bucket of sudden impact costs double that of a big bag of other stuff (ie 3 times the volume) you can afford to put double the amount on (to make up for the percentage of mass) and still have plenty left and only cost you half the price.
Most of the good organics have the same trace elements etc.

neptune wrote:, the best NPK ratio for roses 1:2:1. Impact ratio is 9:4:12,

David

This probably explains why you add Potash. It gets the Potassium level up you and you get the NPK ratio closer to being correct.

I guess everybody has there own ways.Last season I only gave my roses seasoil liquid and they flowered last 2 months that just went by.I have bought Ecosmart Rose Fertiliser by Amgrow and will see how I go with this.I like the dynamic lifter tho has everything in one and I have had good results with it.

To all that have added thier "2 bobs worth"(20cents for the younger one's) on this subject it is always handy if you tell us where you live and soil types as there is a dramatic difference.

dannyboy, you will find the amgrow ecosmart very good to spark plants quickly. use in conjunction with good soil organics, manure and mulch, for best results. A note for all is "know your pH"

Just like to ask do people fertilise after prunning or do they feed in Spring and Summer and how many feeds a year do they give.I have a fair bit of 2 year old bareroot roses I bought this season I have been told to and give them seasoil liquid food which I have been to promote root growth etc and not give them pellet fertiliser like dynamic lifter or rose food till spring as they are still young.Is that correct.

Yes Daniel, the liquid feed is the way to go till the new ones are established.

roseman is right. leave the heavy hitting until the new plants have at least 5 sets of new leaves then start fertiliser at 1/2 doses

Thanks guys for the advice.

Thanks guys for the advice.

I use Seamungus which is pelleted seaweed with additives as well as Seasol as a foliar spray with success. Seamungus is ideal for newly planted roses and natives. I always place a handful of Seamungus in the bottom of the hole when planting roses.

I've just finished spreading some Munash Rock around the garden. This was recommended to me by some rose-mad friends, who swear by it. It is supposed to add minerals and trace elements to soil and can be used on any plants. Has anyone used it?

can you give a list or a link to what is in this munash rock and % please. We don't have it here

This is their website:
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and no outlet in the west......

Oh bad luck Neptune. I'll post if I see any dramatic improvements.

I use Munash rockdust and Renew liquid , they go hand in hand . I think there are other brands of rockdust if you can't get Munash , i'm sure the Munash people would post it too ..

Hold the phone. Here's a cultural note I've never seen before, and it's from Kordes, so I'm sitting up and taking notice.

From the swing tag on Perfume Passion (aka Beverly, Sophie Davant) comes this directive. "Build up soil with well-rotted cow or sheep manure
DO NOT USE FOWL MANURE" The directive is all in caps, and the first on the tag's list of Don'ts

In other words, Kordes nixes Dynamic Lifter! The directive isn't on any of the other swing tags for J&P or David Austin,etc,roses, just the Kordes one.

What do y'all make of it?

Betsy, well spotted. That could have some serious ramifications for fertilising regimes used by lots of people. I wonder if it applies to all Kordes roses, and if so, why?
BTW does anyone know if Sudden Impact for roses is based on poultry manure?

@ Betty...the reason they might have put that there is that they have gone to the trouble to set up their PH value of there potting mix to suit their roses. By adding chook manure, you are turning the soil alkaline which would be detremental to their setup...just a thoughty.....[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Sudden Impact is poultry based and they are looking to set up in the West. They are looking for poultry outlets for the manures at the present moment. It seems they require big tonnage of manure to make there product......[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I thought it might, smells similar but not as overpowering as Dynamic Lifter. Thanks for the info neptune.

I thought about the alkalinity thinbg, and had a look at the Yates Dynamic Lifter for Roses formulation.

Here's the guff, edited for relevance. Bold marks are mine
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[i]Added mineral nutrients to boost nutrient levels.
Ideal balanced formula for promoting growth and flowering.
Relatively high potassium level also improves disease resistance.
Formula used in commercial agriculture for crops that have the same nutrient requirements for healthy growth and abundant flowering and fruiting (eg, strawberries).
Chicken manure component encourages soil microbial activity and doesn’t depress pH.

NPK is 10:2:12 FWIW

So I take the last to mean that DLfR doesn't acidify the soil, but unlike regular DL, which can turn soil alkaline over time, it won't do that either? Is this possible, given the chicken manure component. Do they use only manure from grain-fed cockerels or something

I am stuck, really. In the middle of horse country here, but finding bags of homogenised, sanitised, dung that this city girl can cope with isn't easy.