Two to identify please

Hi,
I've been going around the garden putting nice labels on all the roses. I have a rose map of the garden, but these are the ones marked on the map.
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The first two photos are the same rose. It's a very large strong plant with wicked thorns.
Barbara B

They are lovely Barbara. Sorry I can't help with ID.

The top photo looks a lot like Joy of Life... but then the other photos cast doubt on that...

Hi,
I looked up Joy Of Life on HMF and that's definitely NOT it. Mine is a darker richer red with a whitish reverse.
The rose in the third photo has quite a smallish flower compared to the first one.
Barbara B

Sorry, Barbara B, I can’t help with the IDs or your beautiful roses either, but have to ask about the nice labels. What a great idea. What do they look like and where did you get them?

Barbara, has the bottom one have fragrance and if so is it strong.

the bottom one looks like a daybreaker or maybe a brigadoon

Hi Neptune,
I think you could be right about Brigadoon. I checked with HMF and it looks about right.
Roseman, I'll check out the scent later and let you know.
Jac2, I bought recycled plastic tree stakes from the B store. 28mmX28mm square and 1800 long. Tony ripped them in half lengthwise, cut them into 30cm lengths and put a point on them. I wrote on them with a Sharpie Oil Paint pen from the Tools section at the B store.
I got the tip from another forum.
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Barbara B

If it has a strong "pong" and is an older rose in your collection it might be "Granada"

Hi Roseman,
no, not much scent at all.
Barbara B

neptune wrote:the bottom one looks like a daybreaker or maybe a brigadoon

My 'Brigadoon' doesn't have any yellow in it at all.

OK, I guess that wipes out Brigadoon.
What do you think of Chicago Peace? I don't know the rose - could that be it?
Barbara B

Barbara, how long have you had it, any idea from whence you bought it

Hi Roseman,
I've probably had the rose in the first two pictures ten years or so. I may have bought it from Swanes SA, or Treloars. I bought a few from them back then.
The last one is more recent - from someone who had Treloars roses but has gone out of business now. It wasn't labelled. I bought it because it looked very clean and healthy.
Barbara B

Look at that: the labels are beautiful and you have a Julia’s Rose with lots of new growth! I’ve been thinking of ways to make nice labels.
I was just at the B store today, where I bought a birdbath. Shoot … now I’ve got to go back tomorrow. Oh no, they’ve got potted roses there at the moment … a very high risk situation …. mmmmmmm
Thanks for the photo, Barbara B, I have copied your directions ☺

Barbara, where did you purchase the Sharpie from please

I'm wondering if that second rose might not be 'Joyfulness' ?
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Some of the photos on HMF are darker in colour but that could be the season (or a mislabel sometimes).
Or, maybe, 'Chicago Peace'.

The first one reminds me of 'Victoriana' but I think there are a handful of roses with a "silver reverse" to the petals.

I thought that to Wendy, if it is strong on pong it can't be 'Joyfulness'. Chcago Peace might go close.

how about this one the rsl rose?

The RSL Rose

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it looks a lot darker. A nice rose.

carmel wrote:it looks a lot darker.  A nice rose.    

yes it is,,....a memory to all who served.........

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The bottom/3rd picture looks like Tuscan Sun. It is a floribunda but its first flush in spring is usually single flowers.
Cheers,
Louise.