Id Of This Rose Pleeease

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As promised yonks ago I have managed to transfer with help from Mitchell, which are like all children good with computers. I have the owners permission to post it for IDing purposes, Hope some one can help. The rose now lives in Lara Vic and we have one of them living there for us when we return

It's a great looking rose whatever it is, David! Does it pong? It looks like it should Does it repeat?

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One of the hybrid musks perhaps ?
Moonlight or even Trier ?

Trier is quite double with small flowers. I was thinking hybrid musk too and kept coming back to Sally Holmes...which I don't think it is... but... this is what it reminds me of.

I will ask the previous ower and get back to you Simon

Ok, I am going to put my two bob's worth in

Autumn Delight

Further info on helping the ID of this rose, this is from previous owner.
There will be a picture of the thorns coming to me sometime this afternoon.


Hmmm... it's been a while.... From memory it had a light fragrance, nothing overpowering. It had one main big spring flush, with an occasional spot flower for the rest of the season. The canes made it seem like it wanted to climb,, some must have been about 30 foot. It picked up black spot late every season but that didn't seem to knock it back.

Does that help?

Ok a climber, try Purity

It was in an older residential suburb of Melbourne, called Mt Waverlely, will check with her about origin of house and garden

I know what it is!!! Look at 'Silver Moon': [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Am 100% confident this is it.

BRAVO Simon, well done , Roseman any chance of getting a cutting late winter?.

Done, I will organise it for you Warren

Love those shiney spot free leaves David. No doubt the pix was taken in Mitchell ( Dry Climate ). Would test it for you here in Sydney if you so desire. Gosh I'm big hearted.

David
sent your pics to Laurie Newman, he agree's its Silver Moon, well done Simon

Thank you very much Warren, I know we have good detectives here, but, with his lifetime in roses I thought it was worth a go.
After looking at HMF, it is not listed for sale here, I wonder how it came, possible an old nursery that closed.

On HMF margaret photographed it at ruston's

Hedgerow has them for sale , putting in an order now for next winter

Why the interest in this rose Warren, I can only assume there are breeding prospects

There aren't many descendants on HMF... I'm thinking it's a difficult parent. Was rumoured to be a laevigata hybrid but DNA analysis has shown there is as much laevigata in 'Silver Moon' as there is in 'The Fairy' Viru used it successfully with clinophylla and then with Bonica to make 'Silver Dawn'. Robert Rippetoe is using 'Silver Dawn' a bit so it's probably and excellent subject to play with to try for better Aussie roses. It's seed parent is 'wichurana x Devoniensis' so there is Tea blood in it already. There were a few wichurana x Tea roses done around this time. I'm growing out some 'Paul Noel' to see how they go too and have done Rosa wichurana x 'Monsieur Tillier' that look like they are sticking so far too. If I was going to play around with 'Silver Moon' I reckon I'd like to use it as a pollen parent on some of the Teas or Chinas too, and then throw some DA's into the mix to try for the Aussie DA's.

David, 'Silver Moon' shows up in 3 Aussie gardens on HMF... it must have been offered for sale at some stage.

Howdy all,

Silver moon was used a bit as a seed parent, On HMF some of the descriptions of offsprig sound good even though there are no pics , I think the foliage is good. Dave your right I am going to use in breeding

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I apoligise Simon for not doing enough homework

LOL... why you sorry?

It used to grow opposite the Gamble Garden, and was circulated for a while as "Coromandel Rambler" till someone IDed it. I think the reason it fell off catalogues is its enormous eventual size, like the one at Ruston's. But even the one at Ruston's is being overtaken by Marie Leonida!