Abracadabra - Driving me crazy

Hi Everyone
I have purchased 2 Abracadabra's. The plant I bought seems to be just Black (which Simon told me can happen). However the bare rooted one from Treloar is PINK! Can anyone help me out as to where I can buy a true 'Abracadabra'? This is driving me crazy .. Most of my plants from Treloar and even some from nurseries are all the wrong colours, and it's starting to get really frustrating I have waited months for my bare rooted ones to grow and they are all wrong.

Treloar Roses has been pretty good for me... I would contact them and explain what is happening with photos. Post some photos here of your pink 'Abracadabra'. It might be just the same instability again. I've had it happen with roses like 'Burgundy Iceberg' which puts out flowers ranging from dark purple to pink to almost fully white.

Hi Simon, I'll have to post them after my 7 days, it won't let me post any photos until then
I googled it and there are some Abracadabra's that have come out pink,
so you must be right
I've not had any luck at all with about 5 rose bushes from both Treloar and nurseries. The Mr Lincoln I bought from Mt Tamborine was white
I've emailed Treloar - Thanks for all your help

Happy New Year, hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas.

Been reading about Abracadabra, how it's unstable. Mine has so far come out just red with perhaps one stripe. Does this mean that it has reverted fully back to red and is unlikey to stripe in the future? This is on it's third or fourth lot of flushes.

cheers

Don't panic just yet. Abracadabra is a sport of a sport and as such can be very unstable .

I have one here that my MIL bought me as a pressie , it's grafted on a 3' stem as a patio standard [I think they are called] She seems to like these and I have a number now growing in large planters on the perimeter of the verandah because I can't quite work out were to put them in the garden.

But Abracadabra Here is a link to a pic that I posted on HMF
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I am still trying to find the link to the post which explained the sports and their original parentage .

cheers. Oz

Rosalie, I think if you are a member of HMF you go to lineage and from their you can get the info required, Regards David.

Rosalie, that pic is amazing!

Thanks, great pic too, I think a standard would have been nicer too, than my potted one. Also I checked this morning and I have a few that are more purplish and a few that are a lightish pink. Don't know whether it's unstability, heat, soil or little green men. But as written above apparently it does happen. Not sure if I really like it or not.

I'd like to see a pic of your rose HR .
Pink and purple shades are not colours that automatically come to mind when I think of Abracadabra .
If anything, when the red ages , it is more of a brick or brownish red .
You could try watering it with some Phostrogen solution or even just dosing it with straight potash to see if bucks the colour up , but I think I'd be querying it's identity too somehow.
Look forward to seeing a pic.

cheers. Rosalie

My Abracadabra was producing blooms exactly like they shouild be, then it died. LOL. Shows you can't win. I think after reading all the things it can choose to do, I won't be replacing it.

Yes you can David , that's true . I did receive a nice message from a chap in the States giving me a rundown on the parentage but I can't find it.

Here is the rough of it for you to check out HR.

Abracadabra is a sport of
Hocus Pocus.
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which in turn is the sport of
Black Beauty
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which was a sport from
Frisco
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and this is it's lineage .

Clear as mud ?

In other words it has a family history of being unstable...!

It is not my sort of rose realy but I do love Frisco.
Hi Betty

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Sorry for taking so long for pics, I can't find the cable for the camera, so ended using my phone for photos. Left is the one I was getting with no stripes and here is a pink Abracadbra, it is lighter then in the photo. I think the hot weather may be playing havoc, but I may be wrong. Soil deficiency perhaps?

i have one on order , hmmm making me think twice about getting it now

Don't be disallusional with this bush.....it is not a tall bush...just over a mtr tall and I have won many a competition with that rose. Out of two dozen blooms on a bush, I might get one or two blooms that throw off

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i have seen it around some garden nurseries are the flowers generaly so tiny or with age they get bigger ??

They are a small bloom, when you compare it to a hybrid tea...

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thanks neptune

Hi jordan, don't let my experience put you off, maybe yours will be fine.
The blooms do last for ages.

Hi Happy Roses.
The top flower shows what I would call typical Abracadabra shape with the high centered flower and the petals roll to form a pointed shape .

The pinky coloured flower is the wrong shape altogether. I think you have been sold a ring-in.

Hi Ozrose

It's all off the same plant, they just started to go like that after awhile, I have given it away since so not sure how it went

has it got Champagner in it, same size and shape ?

I checked on HMF and there is not much about it.
No mention of Champagner.

No champagner in this rose,
Three sports make up Abracadabra, all from Frisco