Red Pierre

Red Pierre never ceases to impress me. I haven't sprayed for anything this year and some roses are struggling, destined for the shovel prune, and others like Red Pierre are just thriving. How's this for a single cluster of flowers And not a single spotty leaf on it. This plant is in its second year and is heading for the eaves.

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well I will have to take a snap of mine, double yours Tas She is into her 2nd lot of blooms

Thant great to hear. Mine is starting to really grow too.

I'm impressed with mine too, very strong and healthy. Not racing up the arch like Angel Face on the other side, but slow and steady and beefy!
Val

My red P, I have one either side pf my arch :

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Wow Cheryl, there are some buds in that second photo.

sure are LOL, nearly all open now woohoo, I stem and a bunch of flowers LOL

UPDATE - The bunch above never actually finihsed opening. The semi-open buds went mouldy and shrivelled up. Later in the season the plant fell foul to the mother load of rust (have never seen this on roses before I got this one) and it stopped growing. Think this one is not everything it's cracked up to be for NW Tasmania and is destined to find a new home or be moved.

How old is your 'Red Pierre' Dee? Mine is in its second winter here and so probably isn't fully established yet... do you reckon I shoudl just move it and see how it goes or cut my loses? I have a lovely climbing tea called Souvenir de MME Leonie Viennot to replace it

Mine would be about the same age as yours Simon. Right now it has big bunches of dead buds all over it. We are very disappointed with it and are seriously thinking of digging it out.
Might give it to Abbi. She doesn't know enough about roses yet to know it is a dud. Shhh, don't tell her that. Just my luck that it would grow well for her anyway. She is in a warmer spot than me.
I have a Gold Bunny, Westerland and a Lavender Lassie that I can choose from for the spot. If I had a climbing Tea like you have Simon, I would give RP the RIP quick smart.

Just found this on RPdR, this post came from the "GS" thread.

I have planted RPdR in the ongoing climbing rose bed here in warm/hot
summer Mudgee, mine should go well. If this thread keeps going we might
move it to a new one called "the good and bad of RPdR .

Billndee wrote:..................Might give it to Abbi. She doesn't know enough about roses yet to know it is a dud. Shhh, don't tell her that. Just my luck that it would grow well for her anyway. She is in a warmer spot than me.

Naughty Dee......... I'LL TAKE IT...I'll try anything,.... don't kill it.

Actually, I do remember Dee showing me huge promising looking bunches of buds that just never opened. .....I just didn't remember that it was RPdR that she was showing me).

However, I can now say that I can confidently recognise an iceberg rose, and Peirre de Ronsard. So all is not lost...I'm just on a steep learning curve......

Abbi I think it might be good for you to prepare a hospital rose bed for all the odd roses that are coming your way.
That way if any cark it it won't make a hole in your garden landscape.
It is really a mine field choosing roses by the description on the label that is often inflated in its praise.

Also a minefield choosing roses based on other people's reports from different areas. That's why this kind of discussion is necessary as there is no such thing as a one-size-fits-all rose.

TIP: 'Red Pierre': seems its cuttings strike easily... I popped a pot-full in when I sold off the other one and so far it looks like every one has struck. No special treatment, just stuck in a pot of potting mix and left outside, no rooting hormone etc. I was curious how an own root version would do... also did 'Pierre de Ronsard' and its cuttings also seems to strike easily.

I struck quite a few Pierre de Ronsard in the past but had no luck with the last lot I tried to strike.

My Red Pierre is full of buds now, and the foliage is excellent.
I did find last year that not all the buds managed to open fully, but the ones that did were superb.
I must try to strike a cutting of it.

Abbi, Simon is right, choose roses to suit your climate. Souv de la Malmaison here had all balled blooms last autumn when it was very wet but this spring all blooms opened nicely.
One of my best performing climbers is Lorraine Lee bred by Alister Clark.
Would suggest you have a good look at some of his very healthy carefree roses.
Mrs B R Cant and Crepuscle would be well worth a try down your way as they are very good here as winter bloomers.

thanks for the tips ozeboy.

I have planted crepuscule, and I'm hoping it will cover part of a pergola frame.

Mine has buds to Val, not as many as last year, also got the big chop

From our experience PdR does not grow well in Qld. We tried grafted and own roots. Its great if you want to start a fungi farm as it gets covered in black spot

PdR gets next to no fungi down here and is one of the better ones. Red Pierre was not in the same league and requires a warmer climate than we can give it I think. It is more prone to fungal infections too... a rose for drier, warmer climates maybe. I still do have some cuttings of it somewhere I think and think I will try it own root on one of Gary's tripods... It's stems, like PdR, get canker very easily and need to be well supported. If its canes can wave around and bend in the breeze it develops splits in the canes in which cankers develop. I grow PdR on a fan tightly trussed to try and keep its stems from moving around. It makes so much new growth, especially at this time of year, that I can't keep up with it.

It's enlightening to look at the parentage of Pierre de Ronsard and Red Pierre - these roses are connected only by marketing. The parents of Red Pierre aren't even Meilland roses. No wonder they behave differently.

Yep... not even remotely related to PdR.

Disappointments are everywhere, all you have to do is grow some of the latest PBR HT roses as shown front page on the big nursery catalogues.
No, they never seem to be half as good as claimed. These roses seem to do well when sprayed for fungus and bugs weekly and anti root rot chemicals frequently. I sometimes check these latest releases and while wandering through their rose gardens can't see anything living except the roses.

I have been very impressed with a recent release called 'Firefighter ', however it doesn't like heat and is slow to mature. Every thing else about this rose is exceptional so in an exhibition rose growers garden it could be
a real winner. Haven't seen any hips as yet but will check it out for pollen.