This was unexpected

Hmmmm.
Walked past my 'Princesse de Monaco' yesterday and noticed this bud. The only bud on the bush at present so I couldn't compare to anything but I'm thinking... "this isn't normally so yellow" ?????
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If it is the first bud during this season or if I cut the flowers for vase from almost the very bottom thus giving the bush a hard pruning during the growing season and subsequently if it is the first bud after a long 3 to 4 weeks of induced doormant period my roses behave the same as your 'Princesse de Monaco'.

By the way your climbers look magnificient.

AutumnDamask wrote:Hmmmm.
Walked past my 'Princesse de Monaco' yesterday and noticed this bud. The only bud on the bush at present so I couldn't compare to anything but I'm thinking... "this isn't normally so yellow" ?????
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Your climbers look awesome AutumnDamask. Could you please give me their names?

Wendy has been  , only mucking around Wendy, in all seriousness have you got any "plants" that you could bud this onto, to the best of my knowledge "she" has no "sports. If you go to HMF it will give parentage, this might be a clue of the colour background.

Of course I broke the bloom off when I was trying to shake an earwig out of it... Am thinking I will just watch it.... the bloom is in a vase and is opening up. Creamier version but may just be a one-off.
I don't think weather is involved - hasn't been that big variation in temps?

NEILMRITCHIE wrote:

AutumnDamask wrote:Hmmmm.
Walked past my 'Princesse de Monaco' yesterday and noticed this bud. The only bud on the bush at present so I couldn't compare to anything but I'm thinking... "this isn't normally so yellow" ?????

Your climbers look awesome AutumnDamask. Could you please give me their names?

'Lamarque' and 'Pierre de Ronsard'

Alya wrote:If it is the first bud during this season or if I cut the flowers for vase from almost the very bottom thus giving the bush a hard pruning during the growing season and subsequently if it is the first bud after a long 3 to 4 weeks of induced doormant period my roses behave the same as your 'Princesse de Monaco'.

By the way your climbers look magnificient.

Ahhh... yeah, I was wondering if it was in the "range of normal". Just hadn't had my bush do it before. It's the last bud of the first spring flush.

And thanks, about the climbers.

It could be a sport.

Bah, who cares about the Princesses? LOOK AT THAT LAMARQUE!!!!

AutumnDamask wrote:

Does your Lamarque bloom continuously? I planted mine last year and it has got it's first flush now!

It has several "flushes".

AutumnDamask wrote:It has several "flushes".

Thanks

Ausrose wrote:
[*]WHAT IS A SPORT OF A ROSE?
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Many sports beget more sports the most notable in Australia being the Iceberg line that began in 1995 when Tasmanian Rosarian Lilia Weatherly discovered a light pink blend flower on one her bushes in a bed of the famous Iceberg this was propagated and became know as Blushing Pink Iceberg. In 1999 a plant of Blushing Pink Iceberg sported a darker pink bloom with a cream centre and light pink stamens and this became known as Brilliant Pink Iceberg. Then Brilliant Pink Iceberg sported Burgundy Iceberg. All these roses are commercially available in Australia.
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How do I decide the pink Iceberg I have got is a brilliant or blushing Pink iceberg?
I saw a pink Iceberg at RNRS gardens which had pure white flowers as well as pink ones on the same stem. Then I have  a blushing or brilliant Iceberg and I do not know which one I have. The one I have got has been consistent in producing blushing or brilliant Iceberg flowers which have dark towards maroonish pink  and very shiny petals. I have the white  and the climber versions and they have been consistent with the colours.

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If you find a bloom different to other blooms on one of your bushes the first thing you should do is mark it. A common method is to tie a piece of wool, string or ribbon around the cane. An experienced rosarian you will know there are two ways the sport can be reproduced. The most reliable d being is to take buds from the cane carrying the sport and graft them onto rootstock or you can take cuttings and grow them in a medium, coarse river sand is an option. If you are an inexperienced rosarian and want to proceed with the process of reproducing the sport you should contact a rose society consulting rosarian and explain the situation. Lists of consulting Rosarians can be found in various rose society publications or on the Internet.
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With us here in the UK it is now very early winter but the roses are still flowering with more darker colours beacuse of the intensity of the sun solar radiation etc.  Some roses are producing quite different and unexpected coloured flowers. I always thought perhaps it would be wise to try to graft and see if they are going to be a a different sport and carry on being so. After reading your article I think it is worth trying to graft and see if it will work. Therefore it is worth knowing what type of grafting will suit almost all  scions rootstocs that have uneven thickness etc.
Which type of grafting is almost fool proof?
Which type of grafting would work for any time of the year?
Would cleft grafting do?

I read that so long as you line the cambiums of the scion and the rootstock on one side perfectly the grafting will work and don't worry if the other side did not line correctly. Is this correct? I read that this way of grafting has been 100% success with exotic fruits, rubber tree like plants in the far east countries like Cambodia and so on. I have no idea if this will be OK for the roses. Has anybody tried? What is your experience?

By the way, thank you for this information. It has been very educational.

Here are the four "Icebergs" Ayla,

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The white is the original, the rest are sports. Blushing Pink and Brilliant Pink are from the same lady, which lives in Tasmania, an Island south of Australia, similar climates to yours. So the deeper colour at this time of year in your climate is how she found the these two. This is what I understand. If I have flowers on my white one in late Autumn or early Winter they have a "tinge" of pink thru them, just not evident as 'Blushing Pink', You might be lucky and they will stay true to the deeper colour you have at present if budded/grafted.
As the bark on the rootstock most probably won't lift to "Tee Bud" I would use the cleft type of budding. If you have lots of wood that is producing the "odd" colours you could use some of your existing plants to "host" them over Winter. This would mean trying to get the bark to lift on parts of the rose you will not prune this Winter. This will need to be done using the "Tee" method. These will have to be taped so the buds do not get frosted over Winter. This will get you started Alya. Let me know if you need some more info.

P.S. Did you get my email about seeds ?

David,
I am going to try Harmonie and Drama Queen onto Mutabilis and Bengal Crimson and Laxa (as the hosts). Mutabilis and Bengal Crimson have been flowering and producing new shoots almost 12 months of the year in my garden so perhaps there is a chance to get the budding work for dummies like me. Then cover the stem and the budded are with a large emty plastic see through juce/milk bottle with the top and bottom cut off and cover bottle with flece or something similar in the icy freezing cold.  If the budding works on Mutabilis and Bengal Crimson then I should do air rooting and cut the budded stem off the mother plant to save both. Then wait and see.


P.S. I got your last email. I shall start another topic and put the pictures of the hips for you to see and comment on.